We are asking if we could think together freely: you letting go [of] all your experiences, your conclusions, your desires, prejudices, and so on—putting them aside so that, together, we can think. Will you do that?
You see, our thinking—ordinary everyday thinking—is with regard to a certain subject, to a certain action, to a certain problem: thinking about something. Right? Right? That thinking is from an experience, from a memory, from a knowledge. Therefore, it is your experience opposed to another’s experience. So there is always division.
You understand the question now? Together, our minds are equal, so there is no… the speaker is not telling you what to do and you obey, or disregard, or accept—but our minds are together, being free to solve our problems. Right? Can we do this? Will you give up your Zen meditation? Give up your particular guru? Give up your belief? Your own experience to which you cling to? Your own personal self-interested problems? Let go, and then meet together.
Do you see what takes place if you can do this? Then we can investigate, together, every problem very simply and clearly and directly, and act. That is clarity: to observe, to see without any distortion, to listen completely without making an abstraction of what you are listening to into an idea. Therefore, there is only listening, there is only, then, seeing. Not you see and I see differently, there is only seeing together.
We are thinking together about the whole question of psychological evolution. Because man, throughout the millennia, has been accustomed—is used, conditioned—to think that he will evolve. “I am this today. Give me time to change. I am envious, frightened, burdened with enormous sorrow, and I must have time to get over it, to go beyond it.” This is what we are used to. So the speaker is saying whether such psychological evolution exists at all. Or: it is the invention of thought because it says, “I cannot change today, give me time. For god’s sake, tomorrow.” The everlasting becoming.
What is your relationship with another when there is no tomorrow, psychologically?
This is the purpose of these talks and dialogues: that we, together, dissolve all our problems because the self-centered problem is greater than the problems of the world—political, energy, various countries divided. That is nothing compared to this. Because once you have resolved this, you are master of the world. You understand? Master!
